Thursday, May 08, 2008

Interview with Green Flash head brewer Chuck Silva

By Angelo De Ieso II

On a recent trip to Southern California, I had the great privilege to sample some great beers in the San Diego area--Port/Lost Abbey, Stone, AleSmith, Ballast Point, and Coronado to name a few. Green Flash Brewing in Vista, California was one of the best, producing some palate-jolting brands that have been garnering acclaim all over the world of late. The company's West Coast IPA has become an industry standard and has placed the San Diego style IPA on the map. Winning several awards while finding new and exciting uses for the precious hop, Green Flash head brewer Chuck Silva showed me around the brewery and let me taste some amazing beers. He also was so kind as to shed some light on himself, the brewery, and the whole hop craze. If you are ever in the area, make sure to stop by the brewery and taste some of their wonderful offerings.



Angelo De Ieso II: When did the Green Flash company get its start?

Chuck Silva: The company’s been going on for over five years. I came on after the first two years, so I’ve been with the company for the last three-and-a-half years.

AD: What sparked your interest in beer?

CS: Oh, that goes back…beer itself, of course…the flavor of good beer as opposed to domestic, well, swill, I guess (laughs). But, I’ve always liked good beer, even when I was a teenager. I definitely had my share of Budweiser, but I’ve always leaned toward what imports were available, whether it was Heinekin or Lowenbrau or flavors that were richer and more interesting. I’ve always leaned toward flavors that were more interesting. Later on, there was a nice surge in homebrewing, and I became involved with homebrewing in ’94 and after about four years of homebrewing, decided to quit my day job and get an education in brewing sciences. It’s been ten years of commercial brewing since.



AD: Where did you study brewing?

CS: The American Brewers Guild, started by Dr. Lewis at UC Davis. It was in Woodland at the time. It was a nice facility that had a working brewery so you could brew and filter, and it had a lab and classroom all in the same facility.

AD: Where did the name “Green Flash” come from, and how is that representative of the beer?

CS: Green Flash got the name from the owner and some of the shareholders. In the beginning, they had their pads and pencils out trying to figure out what the name of this brewing company was going to be, and everybody had put down “Green Flash” on their pads, but nobody had it as their first choice. So, at sunset, they were on somebody’s deck and walked out to look for the green flash, and I think at that point, everyone turned to each other and said “Well, why not ‘Green Flash’?” So, it was spawned and accepted at that point. The green flash is something that occurs at sunset and at sunrise, too, if you can catch it. It’s when the light refracts like a prism. There are also blue flashes and red flashed, but a green flash is more commonly viewed at sunset for maybe a couple seconds in the right conditions at the right time. We feel like it is representative of our coastal origin, being on the West Coast in Southern California, but it’s also common in Hawaii. Aviators often get to see it, especially aviators looking over the ocean where they have a good angle for viewing…hence the Green Flash name.



AD: You’ve won some prestigious awards recently, including first place at the first annual NAIPAC (North American IPA Competition) with the West Coast IPA. This is perhaps the most popular IPAs around. You also won a medal for the Hop Head Red in the World Beer Cup this year. What has this been like, and what are some of your proudest moments as a brewer?

CS: The IPA is definitely a really nice feather in the cap, although it’s not at the level of World Beer Cup competition, which we actually did just win the gold in the American red and amber ale category for the Hop Head Red. Previously, just in September, we won the silver at the GABF (Great American Beer Festival). We also won the silver for the Tripel—a modern Belgian style. We also won a bronze. That was an amazing moment for us—to win three medals in one major competition. It was really amazing. It’s not all about just winning awards. It’s real nice to get that kind of recognition. When I created Le Freak—a beer that wasn’t an existing beer style, that was a special moment for me. It’s a convergence of styles and an emerging style. It’s our Imperial IPA meets Belgian Trippel. For that to come out as savory and flavorful as it did, to me, is a crowning achievement and special moment to have that creativity come out in a beer. It wows me still.



AD: Does the Le Freak draw any influence from the Houblon Chouffe?

CS: Sure. That’s a Belgian beer inspired by what American brewers are doing with hops. In tern, I was inspired to do it my way—West Coast Style. I used a lot of all-American hops and two yeast strains—Belgian and American and I still used a little bit of American hops for a little bit of dry hopping. So, it’s richer and a little more over-the-top with the hop bitterness, super zesty. So, I was inspired by Belgians being inspired by us. It kind of goes back and forth. We weren’t the first to do it, for sure. The Urthel Hop-It is another beer that was inspired by American brewing that has a Belgian flavor to it. Maybe even DeRanke or a couple other beers that are kind of in the similar realm. The Le Freak is an American beer inspired by Belgian tradition.

AD: There’s been a lot of talk about the West Coast or San Diego Style of beer. In your opinion, what does that mean and how does that differ from a Northwest Style?

CS: I would include the Northwest. That’s a really good question. I think just West Coast, period, is strongly inspired by hops and the great Pacific Northwest hops and American varieties that have developed from other varieties whether it be British or German origin. We’ve developed some really, really savory and pungent hops that are citrusy, piny, and floral, and more extravagant than Old World varieties. Those used in craft beer in elevated levels really define what’s going on with West Coast brews. Not exclusively, but certainly a tilt there. If we are talking about IPA, for instance, what would define a San Diego IPA versus a West Coast IPA versus a Northwest IPA…I think what you’ll see (with the San Diego Style) is a paler color and a lighter body but still a full alcohol level, still probably 7 percent (ABV) beer for a West Coast IPA but with an extreme emphasis on hop extravagance—hops throughout the brew, multiple kettle additions. Some people do mash hopping. Some people do first work hopping. Some people use hop backs. Some people do all of that, as well as dry hopping and then even a second dry hopping. We just did the Symposium IPA for the CBC (Craft Brewers Conference) and we employed all of those techniques, taking input from the brewers around San Diego. It was a paler color with mash hops, first work hops, multiple kettle additions, whirlpool additions, hop back, and then dry hops. But still, with the focus on balance, even though it has this huge hop emphasis, you still need to finesse the beer and make it very drinkable. With that little bit of lighter color and that lighter body, it allows the alcohol and the hops as opposed to just a straight malt and hop balance, which maybe is a little more Northwest or East Coast. But then also, the yeast selection is important, too—a yeast that accentuated the hops instead of just a British yeast fruitiness. So, there’s a few differences to look at.



AD: Do you have a favorite hop variety?

CS: We could say Simcoe might be one of them with respect to IPA. But I love most of the hop varieties because you can’t make different beers without different hops. Otherwise they’ll be too similar to each other. I can’t make the Trippel with the Simcoe. I need Saaz and Syrian goldings. Each hop has its place.



AD: With so many flavorfully hopped-out beers in the San Diego area, how has Green Flash managed to set itself apart from the others such as AleSmith, Port, and Stone?

CS: Another very good question. Just purely by flavor. We don’t have a kitschy marketing program. We don’t have fancy names, with the exception of Le Freak. When you see Green Flash’s West Coast IPA, it’s almost more of a style than a specific name, although we set out to make thee West Coast IPA when we made that beer. Obviously, there were a lot of nice West Coast IPA’s before we came along, being that we are only five and a half years old. Two years into it is when we first introduced the West Coast IPA, but when you set out to be a benchmark beer, you need to be the most extravagant and the top of the category if you look at the specific parameters of the beer. So, hop extravagance is the way we set ourselves apart with the West Coast IPA. That was really the beer that was a turning point for Green Flash and set the stage for us to make more extravagant beers like the Barleywine, the Trippel, the Imperial IPA, the Double Stout, and new beers to come like the Le Freak and the Summer Saison. We’re showing some range—not just hoppy beers but hoppy beers is what put us on the map to begin with.




AD: Judging by all the medals, it appears you are doing a good job so far. For a while Green Flash was contract brewing the Reaper Ales line of beer. We haven’t seen those beers for some time. What became with that relationship?

CS: (Reaper Ales) were doing some contract brewing and needed to find a new contract brewer. At the time Green Flash had some capacity and struck a deal with them. They took on the brand and I came on about six months later. I helped retool some of the recipes as well. But then we hit our ceiling as far as capacity and the West Coast was on fire. So we needed to make more West Coast IPA so we basically had to give them notice that we were going to discontinue the Reaper brand. They didn’t find a new brewer right away. They were thinking about opening their own brewery but found it to be a daunting challenge. They’ve been seeking another contract relationship. I think they may have found another facility in the Sudwerk (Privatbrauerei Hubsch) in Davis (California).



AD: We’ve heard so much about the hop shortage as well as other ingredient shortages. Does this have a significant impact on Green Flash? What do you foresee in your future with this whole hop crisis going on?

CS: It’s a tough time for everybody I would say. We have a good contract for this year. I am still working on contracts just for the ’08 crop year for next year’s brewing in 2009. I am probably 80% contacted (for next year) and probably have another 10% coming, and I am still working on the rest. That being said, the prices from this year to next year have easily doubled and tripled for me. Our prices increased this year, which translates to the consumer to at least a $9.99 six-pack of West Coast IPA. It’s a terribly expensive beer to make because of the ingredients and because of the packaging. A six-pack is much more expensive (to package) than a 22-ounce bottle. But we’re still committed to the package. We really like it and the consumer still seems to really want that beer even at that higher price. We didn’t increase our prices just to make more money, it was an increase to cover our costs. The malt prices went up even more significantly—about 40 percent. Of course fuel costs are up, too, so it’s the whole economic situation. I do see some relief a couple of years out. There are more plantings of aroma and high alpha varieties (of hops) that are favored by the craft brewing community. There are more plantings that Ralph Olsen of Hop Union assured us at the Craft Brewers Conference. As long as the growing conditions are favorable there will hopefully be more relief. We are definitely keeping our fingers crossed and hoping for good weather and a bumper crop even for this growing season. It’s still tough and it will still be tough, I’d say, for the next few seasons.



Learn more about Green Flash Brewing at http://greenflashbrew.com

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Friday, November 30, 2007

New Arrivals for Friday 11.30.07

Today we received beer from Oregon, California, England, Italy, Switzerland, Belgium, and Australia, plus an "ice cider" from France, making this one of the most international "New Arrival" posts in quite some time. I'm sure everyone is excited to go to the Holiday Ale Fest, so I'll keep the lead-in short and get straight to the brew...

Local Craft Beers:

Beer Valley - Owyhee Amber: Owyhee Amber Ale is an easy drinking amber beer for the masses. Brewed with 2-row barley, Munich, and crystal malts, this amber beer is a cleaner, crisper version of an ale reminiscent of an amber lager beer. Owyhee Amber is a true session beer as refreshing as a breath of air in the vast mountain range that it was named after.


Moylan's - White Christmas: Winter seems like an odd time to roll out a witbier, but I suspect this is one of those times when the brewers thought of a great name and then created a beer to go with it.Whatever the case may be, Moylan's Holiday offering is chock full of citrusy, spicy goodness, and the higher than average alcohol content gives it a bit more of a warming presence than a "normal" wit. Tasty and limited, so don't miss it.

From England:

Hook Norton - Double Stout: A smooth, full-bodied stout with a refreshing hoppy aftertaste. Brewed with proportions of black malt for color and toast flavor and brown malt for dryness. Based on a recipe over 100 years old, brewing was revived in 1996 after a break of 79 years. It's only 4.8% abv, so I'm not sure what the "double" refers to, but it seems like a tasty brew.

From France:

Etienne DuPont - Ice Cider: As a true ice cider "Cidre de Givre" expresses with intensity the flavors of the apples from Domaine Etienne Dupont. It is derived from E. Dupont Cidre Bouche Brut 2005 by freezing it and then removing the frozen water.


From Australia:

Baron's - Black Wattle: I'm glad there was a little explanatory blurb hanging on the neck of the bottle, because I know the first thing people will ask is, "What the heck is a Wattle?" Simply put, it's the common name for the Acacia tree and the edible seeds they produce. According to the neck ring, it imparts a unique hazelnut/chocolate/coffee flavor to beverages. According to Wikipedia, it's an ingredient in Barq's Root Beer and Altoids peppermints, so I'm surprised I'd never heard of it before. I tried a sample last week, and it does indeed have a chocolaty, slightly nutty flavor, kind of like a lighter, less filling version of Rogue's Hazelnut Nectar. It's not going to blow you away, but hopefully it'll open your eyes to a new flavor sensation.

Baron's - Lager: The refreshing Barons Lager is brewed with Czech Saaz and NZ hops, Australian and German malts. We have selected the finest international ingredients to create the world class beer. Enjoy. Mmm...pale lager...


From Belgium:

De Dolle - Oerbier Special Reserva: Oerbier aged in Bordeaux casks. That sentence fragment either makes you very happy, or very confused. If you've never heard of De Dolle, find a beer geek and drag them in here. Trust me, they'll thank you.

La Rulles - Christmas Ale: A chestnut brown Belgian strong ale with spices, guaranteed to keep you warm on a chilly winter night.

Regenboog (aka "t Smisje") - Wostynje: This beer with Torhouts' mustard has been craft brewed with top-fermentation at Brewery De Regenboog. Ingredients are malts, hop, candi sugar, mustard seed, yeast and water.


From Italy:

Birraficio Montegioco - Quarta Runa: A belgian ale with "Volpedo Peaches" (well-known peaches from the town of Volpedo, near Montegioco) added during fermentation.

Birraficio Montegioco - Demon Hunter: Demon Hunter an intense beer with great complexity. It is of amber color with a persistent head. The nose has notes of chestnut trees, mature plums, grapes and caramel. The pepper compliments the light herb notes from the hops. The flavor starts with a taste of honey and finishes on a beautiful hop note. Demon Hunter is matured for 15 weeks. 8.5% abv

Birraficio Italiano - Fleurette: I don't much about this beer except for the list of unusual ingredients which include whole roses and violets, citrus bee honey, elderberries, and black pepper. Violets and black pepper?!?

Baladin -Wayan: Wayan is made of 17 different ingredients (barley, wheat, spelt, oats, rye, different types of hops and many different spices besides coriander. Teo calls it a "Saison" but it is certainly his personal definition of a saison. Aroma and palate are rather complex, ie it takes some time to find your way through it, so to speak. The different hops are barely noticeable. The balance and bitterness is by a high defree provided by those many spices some of which are very, very unusual in brewing. This quite unusual combination of spices and herbs greatly impacts the finish which again is very different from "regular" saison-style ales.

Baladin - Xyauyu: Brewing process: the wort is hyperconcentrated then boiled for two and a half hours followed by primary fermentation for 25 days in steel vessels. Then, after a sterile filtration (to eliminate primary yeast strains) the beer is transfered in a steel vessel with transparent membrane and a "oxygen hat". After several tastings from 6 to 24 months later (it depends on the oxidation velocity, very inconsistent!) the brewer decides when it's time to bottle in 50cl. champagne shape bottles with good quality cork. The production is very limited. That's an awful lot of big words which don't tell me a thing about the beer, so we'll have to try one and see what kind of effect the oxidation has on it.


From Switzerland:

BFM - La Dragonne: From the producers of Abbaye de Saint Bon Chien (one of the hottest beers at PIB '07) comes La Dragonne, a beer intended to be mulled. The following review from Ratebeer.com is for a warm sample. "Deep, dark amber ale with no head. The aroma is blend of anise, melted butter, cinnamon, clove, orange peel, cardamom and coriander. Smells a lot like spicy, hot apple cider. Sweet, spicy flavor. Boozy. Medium-bodied with no carbonation." Sounds tasty, and brings new meaning to the "winter warmer" style.

BFM - Cuvée du 7ème: The seventh anniversary brew from BFM. I don't know much about it, but it's garnered great reviews like this: " Cloudy amber, lively head. Tart and lemony with some caramel. Vinous with red berries, prunes and freshening acidity. Russian River-like tartness and complexity. A fantastic beer!" and this: "Very smooth and light mouthfeel. This is the second beer I've tasted from this brewer and they are definitely high on my radar now." And This: "Ok, this is the best beer I've ever had."
Even if it's only half as good as the Saint Bon Chien it'll still be better than 90% of the beer in the world, and less than 100 bottles were brought into Oregon, so don't delay!

A final quick note for all the hopheads: Moylan's Hopsickle and Green Flash West Coast IPA are back! They've been absent for a couple of months, but we finally have a fresh stack of both in the shop.

Have a great weekend and enjoy the fest safely!

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